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GTD 'cult'

so a friend of mine sent me this message. I am a big fan of GTD and find it very useful. I'm just puttin' this out there.

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I was excited to sit down to read "Getting Things Done" today. It's a great gift. I was so excited that I even read the acknowledgments, to be complete about the whole thing. At the end of the acknowledgments I noticed that David Allen thanks someone named "J-R" for being his "spiritual coach."

Uh-oh. "J-R" seemed like it might stand for John-Roger -- the controversial cult leader and spiritual guru. And it does.

http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/msia.html

David Allen, his wife, and many of his employees are ministers in the MSIA (Movement of Spritual Inner Awareness), John-Roger's church:

http://www.ndh.org/template.php3?ID=65 http://www.davidco.com/coaches_corner/Ana_Maria_Gonz%E1lez/article14.html (employee quoting John-Roger)

Anti-cult websites accuse GTD of being part of a program to recruit people into MSIA. Their view seems paranoid to me, but you can read it for yourself:

http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?t=2193 http://forum.rickross.com/viewtopic.php?p=15025&sid=e3195755a2185f9b4710580921d3f527

Now, I'm not saying that Getting Things Done isn't a good book about priorities and organization. David Allen may have very good advice about that stuff. But I am saying don't go to a David Allen seminar, get mixed up with the David Allen Company, or get too involved with the hard-core GTD crowd -- at least not without taking some anti-brainwashing measures. Seriously. This John-Roger character and his followers are not a joke.

I learned about John-Roger a long time ago, as it happens, because in high school I read a self-help book called "Life 101" that he "co-wrote" with Peter McWilliams, the poet and anti-drug-war activist. In 1994, not long after I read "Life 101," McWilliams wrote an expose called "Life 102: What to Do When Your Guru Sues You." McWilliams left MSIA in 1994 after 15 years of being brainwashed. It turned out that John-Roger manipulated him into giving him co-authorship in return for keeping McWilliams alive. You see, John-Roger had the power to keep McWilliams alive because -- and this will surprise you -- John-Roger claims to be the incarnation of God on earth.

John-Roger has also made headlines in connection with Arianna Huffington -- who admits to being a close friend and who has been accused (though she's never admitted it) of being an MSIA minister as well.

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I'm not trying to be...

Lachia;6130 wrote:
I'm not trying to be rude or start anything in the asking of this question, I'm simply genuinely curious about ya'll's feelings...

If indeed GTD was conceived, implimented and marketed with the intentions of drawing people into the MSIA cult, how do we, as conscientious individuals avoid becoming prey within the trap?

I'm not saying that this is indeed true, and I don't know that we can determine the true nature of the relationship of GTD with MSIA without getting litterally into DA's head... I'm just want to be sure that we talk about how we would avoid such a pitfall if indeed the GTD system is sprurious by design.

And this is true of any other situation in which we are being deceived by "marketing".

What do you think?

That's a great verb to start with, "think." No matter what anyone says, you always have the freedom to form your opinion, to think! That's what Viktor Frankl said when studying Germany.

Incidentally, I work in marketing. And my favorite branch of its well-known 4P's is Promotion. Would you believe me if I said we promoters are not deceivers, we're persuaders?

When I read this thread, it brought to mind many reviews about a highly talented yet controversial musical artist. He made some great advances, yet just mentioning his name some consider patently offensive. I've had people look at me and wonder how could I possibly carry on listening to such a man's music when I was in the company of villains who voted him their idol. He too was from Germany. He was Richard Wagner.

He gave a lot to opera and music in general with one great concept called the "leitmotif." A leitmotif is a short musical phrase that gets played along with a scene in opera such that it stays in your mind, and then when you hear it again in another scene, it brings the first scene to mind. It creates an emotional (spiritual?) multimedia experience through both sound and visual. (A common leitmotif is Wagner's "Ride of the Valkyries," featured on endless commercials from cars to produce to "Kill the Wabbit.")

Nowadays, we'd call a leitmotif a jingle. Even a ringtone is a kind of leitmotif when we know some are from T-Mobile, Nokia, etc. (Does GTD have some ringtones of its own? I'm still lo-tech GTD-wise.)

Nevertheless, Wagner had a very dark side. He had an anti-Semitic streak, repeatedly saying Jewish concepts prevented the advancement of music in Europe and beyond. He would even send anonymous "postings" as letters to music reviewers in the 1800's saying how to correct this and provide for the freedom of music, always signing them as "The Impartial." (If one is not offended by those letters, they're quite funny, as are the editorial staff's replies.)

I struggled for many years trying to convince (market ? deceive ? persuade?) others about me legitimately liking Wagner and still being a nice guy. How could I like him?, people asked. If I ended up saying I didn't like him, does that mean I could never use a leitmotif in any line of work because he's the one who gave me the idea for it, e.g., within marketing campaigns? (Talk about starving musician!)

I then came up with what others have said, crudely almost as, "I like the man's music, can't say the same about the man." I'm very glad to have the freedom to think this way.

What does this have to do with 43 Folders-style productivity? I've noticed with Wagner, and now with the discussion of someone like David Allen who's also profoundly affected my life that it is imperative for me to decide to what extent I'll buy whatever they're selling. What parts of their products and personality will I incorporate and not incorporate within mine? GTD-wise, that's collecting anything I read or hear about them, process, organize, file for reference what's great and trash the rest.

This is another way of saying an important part of being productive is also knowing what NOT to do. That's a powerful form of Next Action, the non-Mick Jagger kind that finally gets me some Satisfaction!

If you'd like a 4-letter word that means "speed" to help with this which is also the first name of another figure some consider controversial lately, I leave you with Rush who proposed, "I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Free Will."

 
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